It also means you can have your own people secretly going "rogue" and acting as disposable agents without having to jump through hoops to avoid hunting them down.
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto eaglejarl was kishimoto all along explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin naruto precommitting is the winning plan rational rationalist romance screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include
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- Phoenix, AZ
If this is true, then presumably Mist has dedicated Hunter-nin as a way to bring in money from outside their village? Maybe due to an abundance of ninja? Or a lack of paying/wealthy civilians in Mist? Nobody else gets in on the market, because Zabuza and others are excellent at it, and have a bit of a monopoly on it, so it'd be too costly for other nations to replicate, and not ultimately worth it for them?
- Location
- UK
Do not tempt me to write this as an omake. Just don't. It would not turn out well for anyone.
I believe we've stated, or at least implied, that in the MfDverse everyone has hunter-nin (in part due to not knowing about the Mist-exclusivity thing until recently).
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Well now that Slivers in the Chaos Lands is ending we need to get a silver summoning contract. One hivemind deserves another.
A chaos shift can send some thrums to us and Regina can negotiate a contract with us through them.
A chaos shift can send some thrums to us and Regina can negotiate a contract with us through them.
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ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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There was a village with a book...
And BINGO was its name-o...
And in this book were bounty-nins...
And BINGO was its name-o...
And in this book were bounty-nins...
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- Europe
In addition (maybe even preferably) we can offer to facilitate some trade between them and Tea's civilian population. There are plenty of things they can't make in one village and we can pretty much pop in and out of some trade town and bring them the sort of goods they want. I'm sure they have animal hides or something we can use for the trade. Basic medical (and hygiene) training might also be a valuable thing.
Other bullet point could be about information security. What are the things we don't want them to find out? Currently they know we are missing-nin from somewhere, but we could tell them more to build rapport or even lie about our origins and goals. Although if we want to have a connect with them for long term I advice against lying.
- Location
- USA
Now, I know that anecdote isn't data, but every woman I know who has been punched in the boob has been seriously miserable. Breasts are evolutionarily valuable for women, so it is reasonable that selection for sensitivity would be favored. Here's one example someone posted:
Alternately I suppose Inoue could have been trying to feed misinformation to the genin for some reason, but given that they come from a community that is relatively likely to have women, that would be seen through pretty fast.Someone's anecdote on the internet said:
Jackercracks
In a British accent
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- England
You left out the best part of the plan! It required bearing between 4 and 16 children for him. We came so very close to this being Crusader Kings Ninja Quest.
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- Phoenix, AZ
That's a very good question. If we're going to find out about them, they're likely to ask about us. What do we want to tell them about ourselves? Presumably they're incredibly isolationist, and likely don't have contact with anyone aside from us. If this is the case, then we could probably tell them pretty much anything without consequences (so long as it's not in their interests to harm us). The current story is that we're "passing through" -- which is true, but they don't know from where to where (if I remember correctly our base is within ~100 miles of where we are now?)
We may want to warn them: don't go to this forest. You'll explode and die.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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- Left of Center
s/this forest/Kagome's light cone/
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- USA
Yeah, when I was writing that I wondered if I should put a footnote in the next post. You're right, being punched in the breast hurts, but if you had your choice of where to hit someone in mortal combat the breast probably wouldn't be your first choice. The knee, the collarbone, the neck, the temple, the jaw -- all of those would be more effective targets. That's all Inoue was saying.
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- USA
I just kind of figured he was going for a center mass hit to push her away.
will408914
(slouching towards bethlehem)
- Location
- California
Feel the temptation... you cannot resist its power...
RedV
Refuelling
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- Right here
I don't want to do this. Not only are we attaching ourselves to them, we are possibly compromising Nobby and putting our group at their beck and call. What we could do is negotiate a healing for board contract, but not a heal whoever as a goodwill thing.
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- Phoenix, AZ
Good point. Here's the new plan, removed that statement, and added the statements in bold.
Proto-plan Diplomacy Mk. 2
We have things that can help the Village Hidden in the Mountain (medical ninjutsu at the very least, also probably seals, MEW, outside news, and possibly martial arts training), they have things that can help us (likely knowledge about the summon seal, maybe someone who wants to go outside and see the world). Let's make friendly with them, learn about summon seals, and try to leave with a positive relationship. Here's what we suggest to our friends (happily do whatever Keiko decides in the end).
Details on what to do:
- Follow them, but with caution.
- Don't separate
- Eat and drink our own supplies (unless Noburi is confident he can check things casually)
- Make our own camp - basic MEW & explosive seal defenses, warn VHitM not to approach, just holler if they need us
- Try to make them like us.
- Be friendly, respect their autonomy (don't look down on them)
- Have Noburi do his best to heal that one ninja
- Be clear that we are the dominant party in this relationship (they attacked us, we're just really nice people)
- Be observant
- Try to collect similar information about the village that we did in The Liberators - demographics, finances & manufacturing, civilian presence, entry and exit points, age of village, contact with outside world
- Be discrete in this collection (look but don't ask or sneak away)
- Look around for animals - do they have lots of Tapirs? Other animals? Are the Tapirs all the same? Do the Tapirs appear intelligent? etc.
- Try to figure out how much scouting they do: is there danger of them finding our base?
- Offer an exchange of services/knowledge
- Trade knowledge for knowledge - we can tell them the state of affairs of the external world, they can tell us about the summon seal and their history.
- If they press us in bargaining, have the following things be on the table (listed in order of preference):
- Taijutsu training
- Trap improvement (if it looks like Akane is better at making traps than them)
- MEW for defenses
- Storage Seals
- Attempt to leave in good enough graces with them that we could presumably return for more trade if we want.
- Information Control
- Don't tell them any more about us. We're just passing through, don't specify from where or to where.
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- Location
- Europe
I think that refusing to heal anyone else but that one guy really goes against the "Make them like us" and "We're just really nice people!" objectives.
Even if Noburi's healing efforts are not tied to a verbal contract the fact that he is healing people will generate goodwill among the ninjas and should yield us favors or at least a better negotiation position. Treating it as a normal nice thing to do will make us seem like actual good guys (hah!) and help us build the sort of positive narrative about us we want to have going on in the village.
Also, Noburi will probably have to observe the patient closely (assuming there is actually something wrong with the guy) and splitting the party for separate camping sounds like a bad idea.
As a security measure we should work at least in pairs. They were lackluster in combat but they might have some sort of esoteric jutsu they can use on their own turf.
Even if Noburi's healing efforts are not tied to a verbal contract the fact that he is healing people will generate goodwill among the ninjas and should yield us favors or at least a better negotiation position. Treating it as a normal nice thing to do will make us seem like actual good guys (hah!) and help us build the sort of positive narrative about us we want to have going on in the village.
I guess this will give us a minor bonus in security but it will also somewhat lessen our snooping abilities. We can gleam a lot of information from the casual things that go on inside their village and best way to do that is to spend as much time inside as possible.
Also, Noburi will probably have to observe the patient closely (assuming there is actually something wrong with the guy) and splitting the party for separate camping sounds like a bad idea.
As a security measure we should work at least in pairs. They were lackluster in combat but they might have some sort of esoteric jutsu they can use on their own turf.
RedV
Refuelling
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Keep in mind that this is Noburi. I don't have much faith in his integrity and inability to be subverted to working with pretty locals/ giving away secrets.
Also, we should flesh out a structure for negotiations that clearly puts us on top. Just doing whatever they say may make some civilians consider us kind, but it won't win respect. At the very least, we should make the magnitude of favour we're doing them to be clear and work out a contract with them for healing services and storage seals.
- Location
- Australia
Suprised no one has thought that the ninja lied to us about his rank and this is a a genin-chunnin squad (10 guys really?) and when we go to the village we get jumped by 30 chunnin and 2 actual Jonin.
Not to mention the guy who might might have a summoning contract if it actually is here.
Medical Chakra be a good catch yo.
Not to mention the guy who might might have a summoning contract if it actually is here.
Medical Chakra be a good catch yo.
RedV
Refuelling
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That does seem rather likely, given that groups of 10 "jounin" don't appear on patrol. Hell, Leaf doesn't have teams of these many Jounin. Good catch. Why would they not want us to come to the village though? And they might be forced to roll deception for that.
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- Phoenix, AZ
I didn't include anything about Noburi not healing in the updated version, just that we won't offer, so presumably if they asked it'd be Noburi's call (which seems appropriate). That said, I could see offering as a very good thing to do. Depends on what we want to do with the village, and I haven't really seen much discussion about that here. My thoughts are just have a mildly-friendly relationship with them and get information on the Tapirs and possible summons from them, with the possibility to return if we want. I also suspect that Noburi might overestimate his healing ability and actually hurt someone (as he may have already done).
A Taijutsu roll of 790 would likely beat any of our direct combat skills aside from Inoue (or Hazou if Roki works on groups), and they're likely to get more bonus dice for fighting in their own village, if for no other reason than they have more people. So if we don't trust them, then we can't have people be separated from Inoue. It's possible the rest of the group could handle a fight if they were separated from Inoue, but I don't like any pairs, for instance, I suspect Keiko + Hazou would get overwhelmed rather quickly (unless we pulled out explosive tags and knives).
If we're willing to escalate a fight, we can likely win since we've got exploding tags, but if they get the drop on us we're in trouble. Our only confirmed high awareness person is Inoue, though Kagome likely also has high awareness, but I don't really want to separate the two of them (since I don't want Kagome to accidentally murder someone). This means if we stay in their village, we need Inoue or Kagome to always be on watch, which becomes a little dicey. Having traps and explosive tags should slightly mitigate this risk, though it'd also connect us to our fortress in the forest, so idk.
Hmm.... Maybe, but I'm doubtful. Evidence for:
- They're inviting a largely unknown group back to their village
- Gaining a medic nin is great for any village, especially if they don't have one
- Thought Medical ninja were legends (this came up before they found out we had one so is unlikely to be a deception)
- Didn't hint at inviting us back until Noburi messed up (or the person twitched)
- Already lost one fight against us
- Likely underdeveloped village (bow & arrows, no explosive seals, low Taijutsu roll, lack of jutsu, have tapeworms)
- General isolationist tendencies - no news from outside, so likely haven't done this sort of thing before
- Our medic appears incompetent --> he hurt his patient
- Age of the "jounin" --> he's old. It's a rank.
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I don't think this was a patrol. The patrol was the 8 Tapirs. This is their threat response team. They probably knew there were 6 of us, and so decided a team of 10 including one 1 jounin would probably be enough to deal with us, or, alternatively, they sent everyone combat capable at us. I don't think we really know enough to differentiate between those two cases, but given other things (evidence against list above), I find it difficult to believe they have a substantially superior fighter waiting at base. We should probably include a contingency about what to do if they betray us though. I'm ok with putting a "if they attack us, we insta-explode whatever it was attacking us, or just everything" (we've all got explosive seals just for this purpose). I doubt they have the sort of fire-power which would
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As I said before, if we're sticking around, we probably ought to work out what we're going to say if/when they try to recruit us. I suggest these constraints:
- Don't reveal that we're working for Jiraya.
- Answer is "no".
- Leave open possibility of returning (temporarily) at some unspecified later time.
Jello_Raptor
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- Location
- Left of Center
I think the world-building for Jackercracks's story and this quest are bleeding together. I like it.
I'd also add an intermittent signaling dead drop, and a note to hide information on our origin. They already know we're missing nin so asking them to keep quiet about us in return for us keeping quiet about them seems reasonable.
Finally, I'd like any plan I vote for to have a note on what we're willing to share/spend for information on the summoning scroll.
@Jackercracks, @eaglejarl, @Velorien: Have there been similar "here's a clue" awareness checks before that we've failed and were therefore elided from the update? I'm trying to understand how important awareness is for more abstract goal progression, rather than just noticing things that are trying to kill us.
Also, do you remove failed checks from updates more generally? like awareness checks or deception checks, where a failure means we don't know we've failed?
Jackercracks
In a British accent
- Location
- England
Well you guys and gals keep giving me such good worldbuilding ideas. I'll be discussing the reasons for xyz in GM chat for MfD, and then when it comes up in RtDoF it's like "oh, here's an already completed answer to my question that I know smart people have looked at and not found problems with.". Or alternatively I'll be scrolling through the thread and one of the players will come up with a really neat idea to which I respond "Yoink! Think I'll just write that down in my worldbuilding document, save it for later."
Probably two parts convergent evolution and three parts seeing good ideas and seeing no reason not to use them.
That'll have to be a question for the other two; for some reason I never asked them if they do that or not.
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- UK
To date, I've kept failed checks in because their consequences have been immediately obvious (you fail to spot the tentacle monster, the tentacle monster ambushes you). Some checks have been elided where there was no possible chance of you passing them and I didn't want to give away the opponent's skill level.
However, making more checks for you guys and then not letting you know you've failed one until Consequences happen is a good idea, and I may use it in the future. Thank you.
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