Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

[eaglejarl]

How much work would it take for you to also post it on AO3/Reddit in addition to here? Or Royal Road for that matter? That way you could expand your audience.

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Quite a lot, unfortunately. Ensuring that typofixes happen both in main thread and in Story Only is irksome enough.

So I've heard that this is the site "which had one of their own staff abuse their staff powers to doxx one of their users on their official IRC channel."

Is this true? That's pretty horrifying if it is...

I also heard that the senior leadership "mounted a raid on another site in defense of a user they later permabanned for exactly the same behavior."

Is the senior staff really made up of hypocrites?? That's truly disappointing to hear.

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Please stop discussing this.

I'll admit I haven't been following the story or actively participating in some time. But I'd like to get back to it eventually so in the interest of the quest surviving I think it would be good for it to diversify the platforms it is on, even as the SV thread continues to get updated. There's no reason this quest can't be updated with both SV posts and Reddit posts (not AO3 links but the text inside the Reddit posts themselves, which would allow for seamless discussion). I will admit that my own quest (which I haven't gotten around to updating recently) is hosted only on SV, but I have no issues there because it's not dealing with anything controversial.

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You're right in theory, but see comments above about the difficulty of keeping multiple instances in sync when copyedits need to be made.

Absolutely not. Mod action turning an in-game action which could have succeeded or failed into a guaranteed failure is fucking dumb.

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No. No. No.

Fuck mod action hosing the players in-game.

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I regret hearing that you feel this way.

Unless @Velorien and/or @OliWhail argue me out of it, it's happening. The last few days have been vastly more stressful and frustrating for us than they have for you, and I'm not willing to go through this again. We'll toe the line and be good citizens; that way we don't have to spend yet more days trying to coordinate seven people scattered around 9 timezones, all of whom were in the middle of stressful IRL events. Nor do we have to spend several cumulative hours discussing exactly what was wrong and why it was wrong.

I typically try to softpeddle my words in the interest of efficient harmony, but let me be very clear about this: There are three people who make the final decisions as to where MfD is hosted and what does or doesn't happen in the story. You are not one of those three people.

Can a QM please give us something to talk about that isn't this incredibly toxic conversation?

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There is still a 5 XP bounty waiting for someone who trawls back through...hmm, let's say the last 30 pages...and gathers up all the economics questions.

There is also a 10XP bounty for people solving all those questions in ways that the QMs are comfortable canonizing.

 

[Sentient Tree]

Just saying, I came here by way of TV Tropes.

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We really need to update our TV Tropes page.

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I found this quest on TV Tropes too!

For the record, I prefer not to switch forums. I follow other quests on here, and I would probably switch to completely lurking this quest if it went somewhere else.

 

[Kiba]

I typically try to softpeddle my words in the interest of efficient harmony, but let me be very clear about this: There are three people who make the final decisions as to where MfD is hosted and what does or doesn't happen in the story. You are not one of those three people.

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I did not propose moving platform, only that you post on more platform to grow your audience/readership.

Edit: Nevermind.

 

[Timewinders]

I typically try to softpeddle my words in the interest of efficient harmony, but let me be very clear about this: There are three people who make the final decisions as to where MfD is hosted and what does or doesn't happen in the story. You are not one of those three people.

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Sigh...where in any of the posts you responded to did anyone presume that they had the authority to make any decisions about the thread? Of course you have the final say. Duh. No one is disputing that, all we were doing was offering suggestions. If you won't do it then that's perfectly fine, and it's reasonable that keeping multiple instances of the story updated can be a pain. But at least don't criticize people just for making a suggestion, and don't assume that people were trying to command you to do something.

 

[firestorm440]

I regret hearing that you feel this way.

Unless @Velorien and/or @OliWhail argue me out of it, it's happening. The last few days have been vastly more stressful and frustrating for us than they have for you, and I'm not willing to go through this again. We'll toe the line and be good citizens; that way we don't have to spend yet more days trying to coordinate seven people scattered around 9 timezones, all of whom were in the middle of stressful IRL events. Nor do we have to spend several cumulative hours discussing exactly what was wrong and why it was wrong.

I typically try to softpeddle my words in the interest of efficient harmony, but let me be very clear about this: There are three people who make the final decisions as to where MfD is hosted and what does or doesn't happen in the story. You are not one of those three people.




There is still a 5 XP bounty waiting for someone who trawls back through...hmm, let's say the last 30 pages...and gathers up all the economics questions.

There is also a 10XP bounty for people solving all those questions in ways that the QMs are comfortable canonizing.

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Let me clarify my position, because I think the post where I explained it got missed - and it's not "stick to this deal".

Fair enough. Given that, I advocate for an alternate Uchiha deal that broadly hits the same notes without the elements that brought the mods down on this one as the most fair option in keeping with the original intentions of both QMs and players.

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It's this. Something that has broadly the same in-game benefits and consequences while remaining clear of the mods.

What I'm objecting to is not retcons and out of game factors having an in game impact (I present my previous deference on Force Walls as evidence supporting my general attitude). It's the idea that a mod action can turn a question which was presented and voted on as a solid "maybe" into an automatic failure, with no chance to re-do.

 

[runeblue360]

While I'm way behind on Marked for Death, I'd value the convenience and relative lack of toxicity of SV over the ability to have a purely simulationist run of playing as Hiashi Hyuuga, Master Eugenicist and World Champion of CKII

 

[Gamerlord]

pops in after a week
What the fuck happened?

 

[Sentient Tree]

So, ideas on how to get the Uchiha to not vote for Hiashi:

1. Massive monetary bribes.
2. Finding some way for Asuma to let the Uchiha adopt a bunch of clanless nin once he’s Hokage. Maybe some kind of addendum to the law that says that clans with fewer than (X ninja) do not have the 2 person limit on clanless adoptions.
3. Mixture of both?

 

[Pharos]

pops in after a week
What the fuck happened?

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I'd explain, but I don't want to be infracted, temp-banned, and have the post deleted by an admin. It's already happened once today.

 

[eaglejarl]

I did not propose moving platform, only that you post on more platform to grow your audience/readership.

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It's not a bad thought -- it's always nice to gain new players -- and I don't want to completely rule it out, but it does have some significant costs. Let me think about it, although I've got all the traveling to do and I'm emotionally dragged out enough that I probably won't have the energy for at least a couple days. Still, interesting idea.

Sigh...where in any of the posts you responded to did anyone presume that they had the authority to make any decisions about the thread? Of course you have the final say. Duh. No one is disputing that, all we were doing was offering suggestions. If you won't do it then that's perfectly fine. It is up to you. But at least don't criticize people just for making a suggestion, and don't assume that people were trying to command you to do something.

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I have said, multiple times and in multiple ways, that I'm killing the Uchiha deal unless the other QMs talk me out of it. I am doing this because I had to facetank hours of very stressful conversations with the mods, in which I felt like I was "say one wrong word / fail to say one right word" away from being infracted and/or banned, with possible knock-on effects against MfD as a whole. (This does not appear to have been the case, but that doesn't change how it felt.) When I say all that and then someone comes back with "Absolutely not. Mod action turning an in-game action which could have succeeded or failed into a guaranteed failure is fucking dumb", they are pretty clearly trying to tell me what to do.



Look, I am very far from my best right at the moment. Could I ask that for the next 24 hours we taboo all discussion of the threadlock, the mod actions, and anything related to it? Until tomorrow night, please could we focus on how you're going to achieve world domination through salt and landclearing / causing me and the other QMs to weep tears of sadness at the way you have once again broken our world via physics / speculating on what it would take to get a telescope?

 

[Kiba]

So, we still have economic questions to collect, and economic questions to answer. Anyone wants to volunteer collating a list?

 

[Kurkistan]

...speculating on what it would take to get a telescope?

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Yeah honestly not sure why we don't have this already. Glass-grinding isn't rocket science, it's glass-science. We also have exponentially more resources to throw at the problem now than we did last time the thread tried to get a telescope: If any exist in the EN we can probably just offer a fuck-huge bounty for one. If none exist we can info-dump some glassware stuff into Hazou's head and let him Iron Nerve his way into grinding identical lenses.
-We'll need to be sure to have him use Purifiers or something, avoid silicosis.

 

[Timewinders]

I have said, multiple times and in multiple ways, that I'm killing the Uchiha deal unless the other QMs talk me out of it. I am doing this because I had to facetank hours of very stressful conversations with the mods, in which I felt like I was "say one wrong word / fail to say one right word" away from being infracted and/or banned, with possible knock-on effects against MfD as a whole. (This does not appear to have been the case, but that doesn't change how it felt.) When I say all that and then someone comes back with "Absolutely not. Mod action turning an in-game action which could have succeeded or failed into a guaranteed failure is fucking dumb", they are pretty clearly trying to tell me what to do.

Look, I am very far from my best right at the moment. Could I ask that for the next 24 hours we taboo all discussion of the threadlock, the mod actions, and anything related to it? Until tomorrow night, please could we focus on how you're going to achieve world domination through salt and landclearing / causing me and the other QMs to weep tears of sadness at the way you have once again broken our world via physics / speculating on what it would take to get a telescope?

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Sure. In any case I have no issue with killing the Uchiha deal. As I mentioned, I haven't caught up on the recent updates so I don't know what the Uchiha deal is or what the controversy is actually about, I only commented because I wanted the quest to survive until I can get caught up on the story. I would also not take the other commenter's words too seriously. I am sure that even if they used emphatic language that made you feel like they were trying to tell you what to do, that they know that they have no actual authority to do so, and you don't need to state it explicitly for it to be obvious.

 

[Timewinders]

Yeah honestly not sure why we don't have this already. Glass-grinding isn't rocket science, it's glass-science. We also have exponentially more resources to throw at the problem now than we did last time the thread tried to get a telescope: If any exist in the EN we can probably just offer a fuck-huge bounty for one. If none exist we can info-dump some glassware stuff into Hazou's head and let him Iron Nerve his way into grinding identical lenses.
-We'll need to be sure to have him use Purifiers or something, avoid silicosis.

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They had telescopes in the Renaissance era IIRC so it shouldn't be too hard. Plus there might be ninja arts that allow you to bend light without having to use glass at all. They could get some really nice telescopes that way.

 

[Kiba]

Yeah honestly not sure why we don't have this already. Glass-grinding isn't rocket science, it's glass-science. We also have exponentially more resources to throw at the problem now than we did last time the thread tried to get a telescope: If any exist in the EN we can probably just offer a fuck-huge bounty for one. If none exist we can info-dump some glassware stuff into Hazou's head and let him Iron Nerve his way into grinding identical lenses.
-We'll need to be sure to have him use Purifiers or something, avoid silicosis.

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Right now, we have no major income source other than sealing, in which Hazo and Kagome will need to work part time to produce enough to fund our obligation. No money from landclearing or salt yet. Income from ninja mission is a pittance. Ditto for Kenta's business.

We need to fix that before throwing money at R&D.

 

[Ishtar]

Oooh, tele-seals here we come!

Oops made my retinas into cornbread.

 

[Timewinders]

Right now, we have no major income source other than sealing, in which Hazo and Kagome will need to work part time to produce enough to fund our obligation. No money from landclearing or salt yet. Income from ninja mission is a pittance. Ditto for Kenta's business.

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Eh, Hazo could probably make telescopes with his own two hands. Usually glasswork requires expertise but his Iron Nerve should make it easy once he's gotten it right a single time.

 

[18scsc]

Right now, we have no major income source other than sealing, in which Hazo and Kagome will need to work part time to produce enough to fund our obligation. No money from landclearing or salt yet. Income from ninja mission is a pittance. Ditto for Kenta's business.

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We could at least fund a B or C rank mission to see if telescopes even exist.

 

[Kurkistan]

They had telescopes in the Renaissance era IIRC so it shouldn't be too hard. Plus there might be ninja arts that allow you to bend light without having to use glass at all. They could get some really nice telescopes that way.

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Excellent point, though given our existing plans for XP-allocation diving into a light-bending utility jutsu (which we might have to either steal or invent) might not be doable.

Right now, we have no major income source other than sealing, in which Hazo and Kagome will need to work part time to produce enough to fund our obligation. No money from landclearing or salt yet. Income from ninja mission is a pittance. Ditto for Kenta's business.

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I'm talking mid-to-near-term, since we recently lost our biggest income source (Pangolins) and took on a bunch of debts.

Theoretically salt/land-clearing should see us flush in the relatively near future, so no harm planning out what to do with the money now.

 

[Kiba]

We could at least fund a B or C rank mission to see if telescopes even exist.

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We know they exists.

Eh, Hazo could probably make telescopes with his own two hands. Usually glasswork requires expertise but his Iron Nerve should make it easy once he's gotten it right a single time.

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I am told that Hazo has better things to do than level his craftsmanship. He's an incredibly busy clanhead who also need to level up his combat skill, work on seal research, and socialize.

 

[roobee]

I will preface everything by saying that we should follow the rules and if I accidentally say something that breaks a rule it is an accident.

People got banned for breaking the rules. We should wait for them to get unbanned before doing any more voting. Of course once voting starts again no one, including the people who got banned, should vote for a plan that breaks the rules. However, we should wait such that the people who got banned should be able to vote for any plans that follow the site rules.


Edit: Uh, I just read eaglejarl's request to not talk about this so um...I guess I'll spoiler it for now.

 

[Kurkistan]

We know they exists.

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Well then that makes it simpler: Fund a B or C -rank mission to get us a goddamn telescope finally. What's the point of accumulating power if you can't use it for petty personally-motivated reasons occasionally?

 

[eaglejarl]

As I mentioned, I haven't caught up on the recent updates so I don't know what the Uchiha deal is or what the controversy is actually about, I only commented because I wanted the quest to survive until I can get caught up on the story.

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Check the Uchiha deal in chapter 271.

 

[Kiba]

Well then that makes it simpler: Fund a B or C -rank mission to get us a goddamn telescope finally. What's the point of accumulating power if you can't use it for petty personally-motivated reasons occasionally?

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A sample of the telescope is great, but it doesn't get the expertise for further production of telescope, which we want for Leaf's military, ideally at squad level.

 

[Kurkistan]

A sample of the telescope is great, but it doesn't get the expertise for further production of telescope, which we want for Leaf's military, ideally at squad level.

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It's the first step in making that expertise acquirable, as well as an invaluable demonstration piece to get the rest of Leaf's military hierarchy on board with diverting non-Goketsu funds/resources into producing and adopting telescopes as a part of their core armament.