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Discussion in 'Fanfiction Discussion' started by doorcf the first and only, May 4, 2014.

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  1. Most ships have pretty large crews, both in terms of minimum and general complements. If you want a smaller crew, a CR90 corvette (same as the blockade runner) is pretty small. Otherwise, I'd stay away from anything like a star destroyer: they're all going to have large complements. Going with a frigate of some kind would be good. If you want to be a bit adventurous, having it be a task force instead of a single ship allows for a bit more play with casualties and such while still keeping numbers down somewhat. Still, I'd focus on frigate level ships as opposed to capital ones.

    From what I remember about a fic or so that I read regarding it, it whitewashes things significantly.
     
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  2. It's every terrible part of the EU and fandom turned up to 11.

    Wanky ICS Calcs where every turbolaser shot is like 3000 hiroshimas?

    Check.

    "Clever" strategies that only work because the "heroes" get to use real physics exploits while the enemy are stuck acting like space opera mooks?

    Check.

    Things always just so happening to work out in the "heroes" favor?

    Over 9000. after the 11th time of "well the bad guys thought they knew what they were doing but in this very specific case their 'right call' just happened to frak them over because reasons" you'll want to punch the author for sheer lack of imagination. Just freaking admit it's a power fantasy and stop pretending that the mooks get to be competent.

    Blatant whitewashing of atrocities and protagonist centered morality?

    Haha, of course. Who are you even kidding.


    Oh, and don't forget the heaping pile of Misogyny and implicit western ethnocentrism.


    Honestly, you can probably enjoy it for quite a rew chapters if you just get caught up in the "what happens next" suspense, as it's paced well for a thriller. But the moment you stop and think about the implications you rapidly realize that the fic is repugnant on so many levels.
     
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  3. That depends. How badly do you want to avert the meltdown of galactic civilization?
     
  4. Canis

    Canis Full of rage.

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    Did you miss the original trilogy? The meltdown of galactic civilization was already underway.
     
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  5. Lunatic350

    Lunatic350 Beast of Possibility

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    Yeah, because the Empire was totally something Palpy made to fight the Yuuzhan Vong or something, right? And not an engine of hatred, fear, and authoritarian abuses at all.
     
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  6. Voikirium

    Voikirium Filthy Papist from a rebellious colony

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    Because of course no other system ever managed to maintain galactic civilization.

    There was never a freer system that lasted millennia, or anything.

    Nope, the Empire was totally the champion of peace, prosperity and order. Totally didn't commit genocide dozens of times, or repress the populace, or murder dissenters.

    Nope, just absolute champions of justice and order.
     
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  7. You know, I can't think of a time in the original trilogy where we see that it is standard Imperial procedures to be as casually brutal as possible. Because when we do, it's Darth Vader himself in charge, who's kind of a special case.

    No, the Empire was bad. It just had it's uses. But once the repression from above ended, all hell broke loose due to how it was designed.

    Oh, it did. But by that same token, it's fall basically reverted the galaxy to feudalism in a lot of places that was often combated by authorial fiat.

    And the Republic was so badly run that the megacorps were openly represented in the Senate. With all the power that implies.
     
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  8. Hell, even if it was true that he built the system to fight the Yuuzhan Vong it's still an utterly moronic system. Because not only did it not surivive to fight the Vong, it was destroyed by an internal rebellion.

    If you're trying to prevent someone from ever developing cancer, but they suffer a fatal heart attack due to your treatments, then your method sucks and doesn't work. It's not the patients fault for not being strong enough or something.

    Tarkin ordered the destruction of a planet, not Vader. And it's not clear how much Vader ordered regarding what they did on Tatooine. Hell, it's not clear that he's even in command of the operations at that point: it appears that he went back to the Death Star and left others in charge.

    Moreover, your argument regarding what happened after it's collapse applies to any government. So are you sure you want to take the line that it doesn't matter if a government commits atrocities, it shouldn't be overthrown?

    From what I remember, it's more that the megacorp and the race were really tightly linked, and so the race's representatives actively supported the megacorp. Which isn't too far off from things that happen now with representatives: if your state has a big industry, then your representatives are going to try and support that industry, because they don't want their states's economy to disappear.
     
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  9. Lunatic350

    Lunatic350 Beast of Possibility

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    So the Empire is just a means to an end? Sucks if you're an alien or something, but it's For The Greater Good?

    The ends don't justify the means. The means justify themselves, or you're doing it wrong.
    Yes, the Empire's rise was only possible because the Republic had become a bloated, stagnant cesspool of corruption and apathy, but it lasted for more than 4000 bloody years. The Republic pretty clearly did a better job than the Empire, which was never going to be capable of lasting more than a generation after Palpatine's death regardless of how he died.
     
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  10. Canis

    Canis Full of rage.

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    Also the Republic we saw at the beginning had been influenced for years by Palpatine, and possibly his master, and even farther back (I don't know what the state of canon for that is at this point in time) and we were entering the endgame portion of Palpatine's plans.

    While I'm not dumb enough to think that the Republic would've been without graft or corruption prior to/without Palpatine's influence if we look at the state of the galaxy less than twenty years after he took power as Emperor and contrast it with how it was even at the end of the Clone Wars and the decline is shocking. It stands to reason that on a smaller, more isolated scale such as the Senate would have been pretty easy for him to twist and pervert in subtle ways.
     
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  11. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

    To be 'fair,' he was planning to live forever - and likely would have been happy to know that the galaxy would collapse into bloody anarchy following his death.
     
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  12. If we accept the premise that Palpy wanted to centralize power to fight the vong, all it does it show that he is an idiot.

    As i have pointed out before, there is plenty of historical precedent for him to learn from. After receiving much less warning that the 20-ofd years of Legends canon re: the vong, Empress Teta sucessfully rallied allies and fought off the first sith invasion.

    Instead, Palpy seems to have taken as role models the people who dun fucked up at the job of unification against an external threat - Darth Revan and Xim the Despot.

    Even if we impute a noble goal to Palpy, he sucked at trying to acxomplish it. The empire looked more militarily threatening on paper, but was brittle as hell and full of faultlines barely papered over.

    The empire apologism we get out of SDN and friends is the wankery of myopic fanboys who only see turbolaser calcs and fleet numbers and cannot into basic civics or sociology.
     
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  13. Lunatic350

    Lunatic350 Beast of Possibility

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    Oh, I'm sure he was aware of it. The Empire was designed to not have a clear chain of command if the Emperor was out of the picture. Probably to make sure nobody thought they'd have it all if only the Emperor were to have an 'accident'.
     
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  14. Mithrandir

    Mithrandir Endurance and victory!

    The Dark Side. Not even once.
     
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  15. Spartan Altego

    Spartan Altego Needs Basic Home Training

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    Instead of taking along the preteen child to a war zone like an idiot, Qui-Gon leaves Anakin at the Jedi Temple after squeezing permission from the council to do so. As a result, the blockade on Naboo is not so easily lifted and Palpatine's plan goes off without a hitch. Meanwhile, Maul slays Qui-Gon and is defeated by Obi-Wan who returns to Coruscant. The key word - defeated, not killed. Maul is maimed and escapes Naboo.

    Without the slaying of a Sith Lord to back him up, Obi-Wan doesn't get the fast track to Jedi Knighthood and needs time to recover emotionally and physically from his ordeal. Anakin is not granted immediate apprenticeship and is instead inserted into a crèche until he turns 12 as a test to see if he is truly capable of becoming a Padawan.

    A mix of good and bad changes to the prequel formula - Maul lives and Obi Wan doesn't immediately train Anakin, the invasion of Naboo happens differently, and Anakin grows up with other younglings rather than skipping that stage, as well as the possibility that he will have a new master by the end. Of course, Palpatine will still be there to whisper in his ear.

    Thoughts?
     
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  16. Lunatic350

    Lunatic350 Beast of Possibility

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    A potentially interesting diversion, but where's the plot?
     
  17. Spartan Altego

    Spartan Altego Needs Basic Home Training

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    Yeah, that's the rub. It's a bunch of ideas without a connecting thread or thrust to them.
     
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  18. Polemarchos

    Polemarchos Banned Forever Banned

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    Obiwan deals with his lingering hang ups with Quigon while striving to earn the right to teach a boy he doesn't want while Anakin gets beaten down a bit by discouragment, (podracing ain't shit compared to some of the shit soon to be podracers can do) and fear of abandonment by the Order which leads him to bury how he misses his mother.(a mother that he could very well be returned to)

    As someone who's written a fanfic, I know that it's these character dynamics that are important. If you jump straight into interplanetary politics and cool explosions like I did you'll end up getting sidetracked. In retrospect I should have stuck with the hook (clones rebel immediately after order 66) instead of falling into the old eu weakness of introducing deus ex superweapons and numerous short lived factions to the detriment of having a real main character.


    That being said, Order One FTW.
     
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  19. No the megacorps have an actual seat (individual species and cultural entities also have a seat), but what you're saying is also true. The Senate is basically everything that's wrong with the US Electoral College on steroids.
     
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  20. DarthThrawn

    DarthThrawn Bloody Eldar

    Under what timeline was it 4000? The Reformation was 1000 years before its fall, and its original founding was 24000 years before that.
     
  21. Zaru

    Zaru Beyond Prophecy

    So what's the thought on Thexen? You know, Valkorian's son who didn't turn out to be a total lunatic dad hating jerkoff like Arcann.

    I was wondering if it's possible to write a fic on him potentially. He has a lot of potential...
     
  22. Canis

    Canis Full of rage.

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    Don't white wash him. He was still willing to lead a crusade of subjugation/potential-genocide on his father's orders. Just because he actually had fuzzy feelings for his brother and didn't have an overt hate-on for daddy doesn't mean he was a good guy, just that he wasn't completely lacking in redeeming features.

    And, hell, having recently rewatched the sacrifice trailer, Arcann himself wasn't so much consumed by jealousy of his brother as he was rage at his father's unwillingness to acknowledge the accomplishments and sacrifices of his children. It even makes it fairly obvious that Arcann did not actually want Thexan dead, but was simply caught up in his rage and acting to remove the obstacle getting in the way of his desire to commit patricide.
     
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  23. Melancholeric

    Melancholeric Love can ignite the stars.

    «You were the chosen one, Grandpa! You were supposed to destroy the Jedi, not save them!»
     
  24. Zaru

    Zaru Beyond Prophecy

    He was also good to his subordinates as well. When he lost his temper one time he apologized right after? When Arcann and Vaylin get mad? People die. He's far more controlled and in some ways compassionate.

    And I see it that Valk was trying to test the waters of "who is the most ambitious" and what have you.
     
  25. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

    Weird thought: at some point in the Clone Wars (maybe early, maybe closer to what would have been the endgame), Palpatine gets a head injury, and wakes up with partial amnesia. Specifically, he doesn't quite recall being a Sith. He knows he has gaps in his memory, but isn't sure what he's missing, and thinks he's just a slightly corrupt but mostly well-meaning politician, and has no idea that he was Darth Sidious, or even that he could use the Force (he's in the habit of concealing his Force presence when he's 'in character' as the Chancellor, and that habit remains, he just doesn't know he's doing it). Since he doesn't remember the secret locations that he uses when he's being Sidious, he isn't receiving any communications from Dooku, and isn't sending him any, either.

    Dooku, meanwhile, has no idea what's going on, but he's getting pretty curious. Also, pretty concerned, because his Master is his primary source for the 'secret' plans of the Republic.
     
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