Original Prehistoric Supernatural Tzedek, Tzedek, Tirdoof

[EBR]

Hang on, who are you again?

I'm EBR, I came over to this site from AH.com after the Great Purge. I wrote a post-apocalyptic scenario called Stars and Stripes Forever, and I just completed a science fiction TL called
Ad Astra Per Aspera.

And what is this thing here?

Back in the homeland there was something called an "ISOT" (Island in the Sea Of Time) in which a user would ISOT (it's a verb and a noun) a county, or part of a country, or a city- or even on one memorable occasion a single American military veteran and her house- from one time period to another. In the original ISOT (by a professional author, and brief AH.comer before being banned) the island of Nantucket was moved from the present day to the Bronze age, others covered a tremendous variety of scenarios. People might move American states back centuries, or move the Roman Empire up to the present. Sometimes the ISOTed place moved locations, going from Africa to Europe or even landing in the ocean. ISOTs make for fun speculation and thought experiments, and I've long been a fan of them.

Anyway, one of the most popular ISOT subjects is the State of Israel and/or the Palestinian Territories. Why this is the case I don't precisely know, but I always assumed that it had something to do with the AH.com habit of trying to "solve" the Israel-Palestine Conflict using alternate history that crops up a lot over there. ISOTs are obviously attractive for that sort of thing (we'll put the Jews in this universe and the Arabs in that one, and all shall be peachy keen). I have seen;

-Israel moved off the coast of California where it became an island
-The Palestinian Territories replaced by the same land but from the Middle Ages (multiple times)
-Israel and North Korea swapping places
-Israel (sans Palestinian Territories) moved to a miraculously terraformed (and otherwise completely empty) Mars
-Israel (sans Gaza and the West Bank) sent back in time to World War II (multiple times)
-Israel (again without the Territories) sent back in time to the Crusades
-god gives the ancient Israelites New Zealand as a promised land instead of Israel, and then transports them there
-The ghost of the Prophet Samuel (who it is revealed was actually a wizard) shows up, recognizes the Imam in charge of the Dome of the Rock as the new High Priest of the Temple, and then creates a new pan-Abrahamic religion incorporating most Jews, Muslims, and Christians (okay, not an ISOT but I couldn't leave it out)
-and many more

Curiously while there is a great deal of speculation about an Israel/Palestine ISOT, there are virtually no detailed scenarios actually dealing with such a thing. Most likely that has to do with the Conflict being such a controversial and hot-button topic. So when I saw a poster speculating about Israel and the Palestinian Territories being ISOTed to September 7th, 3761 BCE (the first day of the Jewish calendar), and how such a miraculous event coupled with unlimited land and resources would surely end the Conflict and lead to a peaceful Israeli/Palestinian co-dominion, I decided to take a serious crack at it (and in particular the suggestion that the Conflict would end as a result). I'd also like to deconstruct/reconstruct some common ISOT tropes.

Which is what I'm doing.

Whoa! You're diving into Israel-Palestine for a scenario? Isn't that a recipe for flame-wars, kicks, bans, godwinning, and locked threads?

Back in AH.com, maybe. Sufficient Velocity seems a lot more civilized, and I asked one of the mods to keep an eye on things.

Listen, I get that this is a super controversial topic- it's one of great significance to myself- and that lots and lots people view the Israeli-Palestine Conflict as a "good vs. evil" battle in which giving any sort of credit to the other side is an endorsement of evil. Reality though is often messy and hard to clearly categorize- especially when it comes to individuals and families who may or may not share their side's ideology, goals, and tactics, or want anything other than to be left alone. In writing this scenario I am doing my best to offer what I consider to be a realistic and likely world. Not everyone will agree with my assessments- I strongly encourage you to assume an unreliable narrator if you run into something that you can't accept. After all I am hardly a neutral figure, I'm a Labor Zionist with friends and family living in Israel and serving in the IDF, and maybe things didn't happen ITTL exactly the way I described them.

Still, you're taking quite a risk here!

The important thing is that this is a work of fiction. All people, places, and governments are either fictitious or are used fictitiously. This is not a place for debating the real-life OTL Israel-Palestine Conflict and if you feel the urge to do that please go somewhere else. Any opinions expressed or policies pursued by any governments, government-like bodies, political parties, groups, or individuals ITTL should not be assumed to represent the author's viewpoints.*cough*

The continuing post-ISOT version of the Conflict is a major theme of this thread, I've done my best to keep it at least moderately divorced from the OTL version of the Conflict. I know that it may prove impossible to completely avoid OTL debate, but can we please at least try?

Well I'm going to at least get some popcorn and enjoy the fireworks.


You do that doll.

 

[EBR]

Note: I keep a collection of alternate Jewish State flags from a variety of sources. For reasons (laziness, mostly) I haven't kept track of who made what flags. If anyone recognizes a flag, by all means post the artist. In any case I can take credit only for the flags of Shevet Menashe and New Sudan on the above map.

 

[ImperialTheorist]

Alright, I'm interested. Let's see the main event and (if there are any) sideshows.

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

Colour me interested

 

[ScottishMongol]

Well that's one way to do it. Thoughts in no particular order:

1) My own idea for an Israel ISOT was actually Israel, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq in 2014 (at the height of ISIS' power) ISOT to...some time. Probably the Crusades. The time was less important than the places. Anyway I'm sure this will be just as interesting as any of the others, and I'm always down for deconstructing some ISOT tropes (especially as I've done so myself).

2) It looks like Israel "won" the conflict, but you know, things are probably complicated. The Palestinians have "autonomous" regions but that could mean anything, and there are a lot of Palestinians living outside of the Levant, which could mean some degree of ethnic cleansing took place. Guess we'll find out?

3) I hope we get some vignettes on all the minor statelets because some of them sound really interesting.

4) So is this modern-day Israel with the Netanyahu government in charge?

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

Looked at the map, A+ quality as always.

But I have a question, did anybody try to colonise Constantinople/Istanbul/Tsargrad/Mikkelgard ?

Also did nobody think to colonise the Red sea islands or Socotra?

 

[Desdendelle]

You have an extra O in the title.
That aside, looks interesting, I'll be following this.

 

[Gog]

Going to watch this, looks interesting.

 

[Claytonimor]

>Rhode Island

Yer a cheeky cunt Oi'll giv ya that

 

[greendoor]

I enjoyed Ad Astra Per Aspera and Stars and Stripes Forever, so count me in as excited for this too.

 

[xa na xa]

Subscribed.

3) I hope we get some vignettes on all the minor statelets because some of them sound really interesting.

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Same here.

 

[EBR]

Alright, I'm interested. Let's see the main event and (if there are any) sideshows.

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Colour me interested

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You have an extra O in the title.
That aside, looks interesting, I'll be following this.

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Going to watch this, looks interesting.

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I enjoyed Ad Astra Per Aspera and Stars and Stripes Forever, so count me in as excited for this too.

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I'll try not to disappoint.

Well that's one way to do it. Thoughts in no particular order:

1) My own idea for an Israel ISOT was actually Israel, Palestine, Syria, and Iraq in 2014 (at the height of ISIS' power) ISOT to...some time. Probably the Crusades. The time was less important than the places. Anyway I'm sure this will be just as interesting as any of the others, and I'm always down for deconstructing some ISOT tropes (especially as I've done so myself).

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ISIS v. Israel cage match? Set against the backdrop of the Crusades? You should make that a reality. I'd be very down to read it.

2) It looks like Israel "won" the conflict, but you know, things are probably complicated. The Palestinians have "autonomous" regions but that could mean anything, and there are a lot of Palestinians living outside of the Levant, which could mean some degree of ethnic cleansing took place. Guess we'll find out?

3) I hope we get some vignettes on all the minor statelets because some of them sound really interesting.

4) So is this modern-day Israel with the Netanyahu government in charge?

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I don't want to give anything away, but (a) Israel is a lot better armed than the Palestinians, (b) we will definitely hit the minor statelets, and (c) yes.

Also; you changed your icon!

Looked at the map, A+ quality as always.

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Danke.

But I have a question, did anybody try to colonise Constantinople/Istanbul/Tsargrad/Mikkelgard ?

Also did nobody think to colonise the Red sea islands or Socotra?

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It's hard to see on the map, but there is in fact an outpost at Kushtandina, and another one on Socotro. Many of the Red Sea Islands have some kind of presence- the Israeli naval base at Farasan and the Palestinian Chavayim in the Dahlak Islands for instance. Some of the smaller islands have been mostly ignored however- there are better places to settle.

>Rhode Island

Yer a cheeky cunt Oi'll giv ya that

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Same here.

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Don't worry- this is me we're talking about. I spend as much time on the tiny statelets as I do on the big ones.

Anything in particular pique your interest?

 

[EBR]

Before I was created I was nothing.
Now that I have been created, it is as if I do not exist.
-From the Yom Kippur Liturgy​

The world of September 7th​ 3761 BCE was a world in transition.

The invention of agriculture some six thousand years ago had led to steady population growth and humanity stood at over ten million strong- going on eleven. Most were either hunter-gatherers or hunter-gardeners- combining traditional hunter-gathering with limited agriculture- but permanent farming villages existed in many places. Most villages had only a few dozen inhabitants, but the early cities that could be found in parts of Afro-Eurasia had populations into the hundreds and low thousands. In Mesopotamia the first true cities had only just emerged. Eirdu and Uruk, the largest, could boast over five thousand people with real governments and monarchical institutions. The Neolithic era was ending, the Bronze age only a few hundred years off. Copper was being worked for the first time, pottery was in wide use and writing in its very early stages.

Then the ISOT happened and every changed in an instant.

The State of Israel- one of the more popular subjects for ISOT speculation- was thrown close to fifty-eight hundred years back into the past from July 30th​, 2017. Gaza and the West Bank came along, including the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah. Between the 8,793,000 Israeli citizens and residents, and 4,952,000 Palestinians the newcomers outnumbered the global indigenous population. At the height of tourist season there were over 800,000 visitors present in the country, most from America and Europe, most Christian. There were also 300,000 foreign workers and 70,000 illegal immigrants. They had some of the most advanced technology of the 21st​ century and- in Israel proper at least- the infrastructure of a developed nation. They also had an ongoing 69-year conflict with deep-seated religious, cultural, and historic divides.

There is a temptation to brush past the economic consequences of an ISOT in order to get to the juicy political and military meat of a scenario. That’s not possible here.

Leaving out Gaza and Areas A and B in the West Bank, Israel has a nominal GDP of over $387 billion dollars. This is an economy centered around foreign trade, with $102.3 billion in exports and $96.7 billion in imports annually. Most economic sectors are in some way linked to trade or tourism, if only by virtue of catering to customers who make their money in those areas. As the Israeli government only brings in $68.3 billion in yearly tax revenue but spends $75.7 billion per year it relies on roughly $3 billion in American aid and additional foreign loans to close the gap. 30% of the $10 billion Palestinian GDP comes from foreign aid, and the West Bank draws large numbers of tourists from around the world. Considering exports of products such as olives and handicrafts, it can be said that at least half of the Palestinian economy is directly connected to external travel and trade. Both countries have extended family and communal ties abroad, Israelis to the Jewish diaspora in America and across the globe, Palestinians to the Palestinian refugee communities in Jordan, Syria, Chile, and elsewhere.

The ISOT resulted in an immediate economic catastrophe orders of magnitude bigger than any precedent in modern economics. The Great Depression of the late 1920s and 1930s saw global GDP fall by 15% and international trade by half. The post-Reset (as the ISOT became known) economic crash involved the disappearance of effectively all international trade as the combined Israeli-Palestinian GDP witnessed an immediate drop of 75% triggered by cascading bankruptcies that brought down even unrelated businesses. Perhaps more lethal was the temporary loss of confidence that underlaid the economy. An ISOT is an utterly unprecedented event in human history. Clearly it was artificial, it followed man-made borders, and even worse it had deposited its passengers on a date of tremendous religious significance; September 7th​, 3761 corresponds to the 1st​ of Tishrei in the year 1 Anno Mundi- the traditional date in Judaism for the Creation of the World. Most perceived the ISOT as an event of divine origin, many predicted that the end had come. No one knew why or how it had happened, no one knew what would happen next- would they be moved to a new world? Would the Messiah or the Mahdi or the Second Coming arrive? Terrified (or ecstatic) people had little faith in the value of the New Shekel (whose value was further undermined by the total loss of value by the foreign currency reserves that backed it) or the banking system.

“The Troubles” is the collective name for the period of chaos that followed the Reset. Lasting for approximately eighteen months it was characterized by social, economic, religious, and political turmoil. Religious schisms occurred, new sects formed, and messianic figures emerged from the woodwork. While some religious leaders called the Reset a sign that they should come together in peace and brotherhood, others called for non-believers to be converted or destroyed. There were a dozen different Jewish messianic claimants and at least three major Mahdis and an Isa. Although Israel was never in danger of starvation- there were emergency food stockpiles plus plans in place for rationing and substantial fish-stocks in the Neolithic Mediterranean- Israel restricted rations to Israeli citizens and legal residents (including visitors with valid visas, those without valid visas mostly survived on private chairty). This left the Palestinian Authority to fend for itself, and food shortages were a major contributing cause to the Last Intifada. Fighting between the IDF and various terrorist, militant, and religious extremist groups (not all Palestinian) continued into the first year Anno Mundi, petering out as terrorist groups ran out of weapons and funding and the food and fuel situation improved thanks to new petroleum wells in coastal Egypt and the replacement of cash crop production with grain and potatoes. The Netanyahu government called up the reserves to keep order in the streets and pursued extreme policies to put down the Last Intifada that the current Israeli government is still coming to terms with. The Troubles gradually came to an end and a new round of legislative elections returned a centre-left Israeli government that was mostly concerned with economic issues. Although the crisis had passed, major issues remained, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict simmers on.

Twenty years later there is a new equilibrium in the Middle East.

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

Elephants are everywhere now incidentally

 

[bookwyrm]

You know unless the catastrophe hits casualty levels like well past even @ScottishMongol's Arizonia or the Black Death then in a blink of a millennia thousands upon thousands of diverse Eurasian and African nations and civilizations would be virtually subsumed by the post-Event industrial cultural package (and also the numerous settlers). Disease alone is going to be nasty, let alone the absolute material superiority Israel-ity and Palestine-ness is going to have hanging over other cultural identities. Much of the world would become one of those Star Trek one hit wonder planets.

 

[ScottishMongol]

Nice start. It sounds like Netanyahu's solution might have led to the creation of New Palestine (directly by forcing them to leave or indirectly when Palestinians fled a Troublesome political atmosphere). And in a way, deciding not to give Palestine help during the Turmoil probably just caused more trouble in the long run. So it goes.

ISIS v. Israel cage match? Set against the backdrop of the Crusades? You should make that a reality. I'd be very down to read it.

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The main fun would have come from Israel deciding between propping up downtime Muslim states or letting ISIS run roughshod over them.

Well, that and ISIS realizing that the "corruption" in the faith goes back father than they realized.

Also; you changed your icon!

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It's a portrait of me! My D&D group commissioned it to celebrate the completion of the two-year campaign I ran.

It makes me look like I'm about to kill one of my players, which I appreciate.

 

[Teen Spirit]

Man that would be an interesting time to be an anthropologist. On the one hand, almost every ruin is now gone, but on the bright side they can talk to neolithic farmers.

 

[Lazor]

Much of the world would become one of those Star Trek one hit wonder planets

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Mmm probably more like how European and European-derived nations are Roman-ish.

We can still end up with very diverse cultures fast forward to 2000 AD. Just without a lot of vowels.

 

[xa na xa]

Anything in particular pique your interest?

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Anshan (21), I find the proto-elamites very interesting.

Transjordan Republic (48)

Isramco (19)

Karpathos (91)

Unorganised territory (92)

Ios (93)

State of Libya (87)

That's just a few, some others more central to the story you'll go through in detail I'm sure, and really I want to hear about all of them!

 

[EBR]

Elephants are everywhere now incidentally

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And cave lions! Plus those tiny mammoths on the island north of Russia.

You know unless the catastrophe hits casualty levels like well past even @ScottishMongol's Arizonia or the Black Death then in a blink of a millennia thousands upon thousands of diverse Eurasian and African nations and civilizations would be virtually subsumed by the post-Event industrial cultural package (and also the numerous settlers). Disease alone is going to be nasty, let alone the absolute material superiority Israel-ity and-Palestine-ness is going to have hanging over other cultural identities. Much of the world would become one of those Star Trek one hit wonder planets.

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Mmm probably more like how European and European-derived nations are Roman-ish.

We can still end up with very diverse cultures fast forward to 2000 AD. Just without a lot of vowels.

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There's going to be a Colombian Exchange-style event as modern diseases, crops, and animals are introduced to the Neolithic, plus the tremendous impact of Israel and Palestinian culture. I do agree with Lazor however- I think it's be like Rome and Europe/Western Civilization. France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, and America are all strongly influenced by Roman culture but they all have very diverse cultures of their own. People will use Hebrew (or Arabic) characters to write, and practice version of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, and reference Israeli/Palestinian art, theater, and literature, but they'll have their own national identities.

Nice start. It sounds like Netanyahu's solution might have led to the creation of New Palestine (directly by forcing them to leave or indirectly when Palestinians fled a Troublesome political atmosphere). And in a way, deciding not to give Palestine help during the Turmoil probably just caused more trouble in the long run. So it goes.

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Definitely created trouble in the long run. We'll go more into detail when we get to Greater Palestine.


[/QUOTE]The main fun would have come from Israel deciding between propping up downtime Muslim states or letting ISIS run roughshod over them.

Well, that and ISIS realizing that the "corruption" in the faith goes back father than they realized. [/QUOTE]

I can see Israel allying with Ayyubid/Fatmid Egypt and the Seljuq Turks- the question is will they work with Assad's rump government and the post-ISOT Shia regime in Iraq. If you ever start it, let me know. I'd love to read.

It's a portrait of me! My D&D group commissioned it to celebrate the completion of the two-year campaign I ran.

It makes me look like I'm about to kill one of my players, which I appreciate.

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:lol

Man that would be an interesting time to be an anthropologist. On the one hand, almost every ruin is now gone, but on the bright side they can talk to neolithic farmers.

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A good time to be an Anthropologist, a bad time to be an Archaeologist.

 

[EBR]

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The State of Israel

Israel is the world’s unquestioned superpower, with the largest population, largest economy, and the strongest military by orders of magnitude. She has settled a swathe of the Levant, the island of Cyprus, and has small settlements along the African coast and into the Persian Gulf. The Israeli Navy administers bases at Aden, Farasan Island, and the Strait of Hormuz. Civilian outposts exist in Oman, Socotra, the Bosporus, and places as far-flung as Gibraltar and India. With the exception of the military administrations, these colonies are all administered as part of the metropole, their inhabitants voting in the same national elections and represented by the same Knesset. As the state grows in size voices have begun to call for the country to transition from a unitary state to a federal “United States of Israel”, with regional governments possessing some autonomy. The Bedouin who are a plurality in the Sinai support the idea, so do the Arab moderates, and quite a few Jews just like the idea of more local self-government. The Havay State of Goshen has also indicated its willingness to join Israel voluntarily, provided this is as a state in a federal union. Israel also administers five Trust Territories- regions with significant Indigenous populations that are under Israeli protection.

There are no existential threats to Israel and the Conflict has cooled substantially. Domestic terrorism is not unknown but has become quite rare- each year there are a few knife attacks, maybe a vehicle attack. Palestinian radicals tend to head for the frontier, either settling in Greater Palestine or one of the more extreme unrecognized Palestinian states. The Israeli government not only tolerates but encourages this in the form of free transportation to Greater Palestine- it provides a “release valve” for tensions and helps keep things calm. Not that the Palestinians are happy, but I’ll go into the newest incarnation of the Conflict and its areas of contention separately.

The upshot of the improved security situation and the absence of any existential threats is that support for the right has ebbed, in the 18 years since Netanyahu’s national unity government collapsed the Israeli right has controlled the Knesset for a grand total of two years- and that in coalition with some of the centrist parties. Instead the center and the left have surged in influence, buoyed by concerns over the economy. Israel’s GDP has passed the $200 billion mark, but even twenty years later it still hasn’t fully recovered from the post-Reset shock and while the Israeli standard of living may be the world’s highest it has yet to reach pre-Reset levels. The centrist parties focus almost exclusively on economics, while the left pairs economics with social issues and a more hostile stance towards the Israeli Havayim (who tend to be right-wing, often very religious or very nationalistic). Both sides regard continued colonization as important, the left is more solicitous towards the indigenous natives. Generally, elections flip the government from center-left to left-center, there was a brief fourteen-month tenure of a left-wing minority government with confidence and supply from the Joint List- their unpopular compromise produced the Palestinian Autonomous Government (which needs its own post). The religious parties have fractured over theological disagreements as to the significance of the Reset, their general opposition to settlement outside of Greater Israel has resulted in a potentially irreparable right-religious split. Is it or is it not sinful for Jews to settle outside of the land G-d gave them?

Culturally Israel has moved to the right socially, even as it has moved to the left on security and foreign policy issues. From a country where 20% of the population didn’t believe in G-d, the impact of the Reset has turned Israel into a country where less than 2% reject G-d’s existence. This may have had something to do with the fact that twenty years into the future Israel has legalized marijuana, but still has no civil marriage, no gay marriage, and a still extant system of religious courts. At least homosexuality is still legal, and abortion is permitted in cases when it’s necessary for the health of the mother- the later in accordance with Jewish law. The virtual disappearance of the tax breaks and social programs that the ultra-Orthodox relied upon- an economic necessity post-Reset- has forced large numbers of ultra-Orthodox into the job-sector against their will. On the one hand this has resulted in a shift in identity as many ultra-Orthodox merge into the more mainstream Orthodox and “religious” community, on the other hand it has led to a large and very unhappy population of Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews who are fertile ground for radical anti-government sects and political movements. It’s not a coincidence that ex-ultra Orthodox Jews supply one of the primary sources of Jewish Chavayim. The birth-rate is up overall among Israelis thanks to cheap housing, cheap land, cheap food, free healthcare (not as high quality as it used to be, but still widely available), and the growth of the religious community. Approximately 55% of the population identifies as secular (down from 67% pre-Reset), 25% as religious/mainstream Orthodox (up from 15%) and 15% as ultra-Orthodox (no change, the exodus for economic reasons has been balanced out by a high birthrate and people leaving other communities to join).

There is still a universal national service requirement for Jewish, Druze, and Circassian citizens, this has been expanded to Christians and members of the “Other” census category (mostly communities made up of former foreign workers and tourists). Arab Muslim residents of the Palestinian Autonomous Government are eligible for Israeli citizenship after completing a voluntary three-year national service term, as are pre-Reset illegal immigrants. Although national service still includes basic military training, the overwhelming majority of inductees no longer perform military service and instead work for either the Ministry of Development or the Ministry of Construction and Housing. They spend three years building roads, digging wells, laying telephone and electrical lines, and throwing up basic pre-fabricated housing along the frontier. The infrastructure they build is at the core of Israel’s project to settle the new world that its found itself in, and citizens who complete their national service can receive free land and housing outside of the metropole. Given the difficult (if improving) economic situation in Israel proper many opt for this, preferring membership in a kibbutz somewhere in western Syria to the hardscrabble job market back in Tel Aviv or Eilat.

The national population is holding steady at about 9 million- only a minor improvement over the pre-Reset numbers, until one considers the emigration of half-a-million Israel Jews and a similar number of Arab-Israelis in the form of Chavayim. There are an additional 3 million Israeli Residents living in the Palestinian Autonomous Government, virtually all of whom identify as Palestinians. Together these 12 million people make up almost but not quite a majority of the world’s population.

 

[ExNihilo]

Ooh dang, when you mentioned the mammoths I wondered for a split second if Homo Floresiensis is still around. Unfortunately, I was working off of the old numbers, 12k years ago instead of 50k, but even that wouldn’t be enough. (40k for Neanderthal, the modern most recent).

 

[ScottishMongol]

Ooh, Gibraltar and India? Probably trading and scientific outpost.

Sounds like the dominant ideology in Israel could be described as religious-socialist. "G-d wouldn't want the poor to go hungry," that sort of thing.

 

[Baron Steakpuncher]

Ok, off the top of my head here are some of the major wildlife changes.


Rhino's : these can now be found as far north as upper Egypt and the Sudan, there are literally millions of them. Indian, Sumatran and Javan rhinos are found from south china to Iran.

Big Cats : Leopards and Lions can be found from Spain to greece to China and the Cape. Tigers from the Caucases to Siberia, Cheetah's from India to the Cape, extending into Central Asia. Jaguars from California and Louisiana to Argentina. Puma's from coast to coast in the Americas.

Elephants : Dwarf variations on some mediteranean islands, elsewhere literally from China to the cape there are elephants. Also some mammoths on Wrangel Island, might want to save those.

Pelorovis : This mega-cow lives in North Africa, very curly horns.

Nile Crocodiles and Hippo's : These live up to the Med along the Nile River, oh, and the Crocodiles also live in Israel. Also madagascar has hippo's.

European Bison : Literally the entire caucauses

Great Auk : Should be fairly common in the North Atlantic

Ground Sloths : Some in the Carribean, probably.

Moa : New Zealand, along with some flightless bats and penguins.

Flightless Sea Duck : The channel islands of California

Giant Tapir : Should still be around

Stegodon : Only on Flores

Ostritch : Still significant arabian and iranian populations


Irish elk : Should still be some of these left in europe, probably a declining population though since they go extinct only 500 years after the ISOT.

Minor Curiosities : In the solomon islands there is a species of crocodile that is seperated evolutinarily from all other species by about 40 million years.

 

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While a bit far away, the Dodo would also be no longer extinct on the island of Mauritius, east of Madagascar.