With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Thirteen)

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Isn't Nylor Truggs also connected to the Dial?
In at least one continuity, yes.

The New Adventures of Superboy #50 features a story in which Chris King's watch is stolen from the Space Museum of the Legion of Super-Heroes' time period by a thief named Nylor Truggs, who flees with the dial to the ambiguous late 1960s/early 1970s era-Smallville of the original (Earth-One) Superboy by altering the dial's functions in some unexplained manner, allowing him to travel in time. Truggs further alters the H-dial to break the restriction that users can only transform into heroic identities, changing the "H" in the center of the dial to "V" for "villain". Truggs also makes the dial capable of changing individuals other than himself into villains if he desires; those transformed would then be under Truggs' control. Truggs transforms several of Clark Kent's high school friends, and forms a temporary alliance with a teenaged Lex Luthor, in a scheme to plant seismic devices in their time period so that Truggs can use those devices against the people of his own future time upon his return. Truggs' plan is foiled by Superboy, several members of the Legion, and Krypto the Superdog, the latter of which destroys the stolen H-Dial by crushing it in his jaws. Vicki Grant's H-Dial is also shown to have survived to the Legion's time—it is slated to replace King's dial in the museum display.
 
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There is QQ if you want to avoid the controversy this place would kick up about you not being 'woke' enough.
they will, however, kick you out if you mention any politics, and have effectively no moderation. The downside of being somewhere with moderation, is well, your posting somewhere with moderation.

personally, I feel if zoat is not sure if his chapter would pass muster, he should either PM a mod to ask, or just post it and leave if they infract him for it.
 

Queshire

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huh, I haven't been watching the new episodes myself, but evidently in one they have a segment done in the style of Teen Titans Go! Sounds surprisingly emotional. Neat. I like setting stuff like that against a normally commedic back drop like the teen titans go style.
 

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personally, I feel if zoat is not sure if his chapter would pass muster, he should either PM a mod to ask, or just post it and leave if they infract him for it.
Or, like, confront his faults, overcome them, and grow as a creator and a person.

That's generally harder but, like, is commonly held as superior in the long run.

"Life is short, and art long, opportunity fleeting, experimentation perilous, and judgement difficult."
 

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I googled what a zoat was one day and i was surprised. i am no longer surprised. the man is 35 if he wants to move to a new forum no one will sway him, Ao3 has no mods, comments, no moral high ground, and nobody will complain about anything. as a downside no free editing
 
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Or, like, confront his faults, overcome them, and grow as a creator and a person.

That's generally harder but, like, is commonly held as superior in the long run.

"Life is short, and art long, opportunity fleeting, experimentation perilous, and judgement difficult."
It's funny to me that you, one of the most pro trans posters I've seen in this thread, come across as the most closed minded person. Everything that doesn't fit your exact standards is horrible.

Zoat is rather progressive on this subject, he's fine with you identifying as whatever, his SI doesn't use a wrong pronoun, it's just that in his head he'll look at the materialistic side of things.
Isn't that good enough? Someone who supports your gender identification, who uses the right pronouns in a conversation with you, and who, in the SI's case will try to help you fit your chosen gender. But all of that isn't good enough because he gives some insight in how he thinks.

How can someone who's so pro lgbt be so close minded?
 

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It's funny to me that you, one of the most pro trans posters I've seen in this thread, come across as the most closed minded person. Everything that doesn't fit your exact standards is horrible.
That first part warms my heart to such a degree that I suspect you've either mixed me up with someone else, you're flattering me to some end, or you've misread quite a few others quite badly. Regardless, that second part shows I've not made myself understood.

Obviously I'd like everyone to get on the side of compassion and righteousness. But that's not the problem here.

If I'm right, the problem here is inability to compromise. It's knowingly choosing a course of action that crosses authority, locking oneself into that course, and rationalizing that lock such that it is inescapable.

One of the problems smart people have is that rationalization is a function of smarts. Intelligent people are more likely to trap themselves in very clever narratives they weave for themselves because they are so good at it. The less intelligent are, possibly ironically, less able to deny the facts of universe around them.

Compromise requires trust in oneself to win what's most valued and trust in the other, authority in this case, to keep their promises.

As I've said, creative arts are practiced within limits.

The current drama is one of Zoat's choosing and it happens to be poor theatre.
 

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At this point it might just be easier and/or better to make his own forum. If his issue is that none of the current ones are free-speech enough then making his own might be for the best.

Hell, I'd make one for him if he wanted to go that route. I might just make one on principle.
 

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At this point it might just be easier and/or better to make his own forum. If his issue is that none of the current ones are free-speech enough then making his own might be for the best.

Hell, I'd make one for him if he wanted to go that route. I might just make one on principle.
you realise no country except maybe canada has had free speech in the last ten years at least. people say free speech but what they mean is whatever I want to say no matter who I offend and then get pissy when I surprise surprise the people I offend get pissed. I got a thread ban for incivility I didn't then complain and bitch that I couldn't lose my temper. I'm an adult I should be able to speak to other adults politely if you have oh lets face it Zoat is one lab accident from being a supervillain and the only thing I am surprised about is that he kept a lid on it for so long the guy intentionally provokes people with his writing and that's fine but going back to an earlier post of mine nobody wants to hear Tolkien's views on people of colour. the mods and well everyone who left already made clear that no being a bigot and espousing bigoted views is not okay.
 
That first part warms my heart to such a degree that I suspect you've either mixed me up with someone else, you're flattering me to some end, or you've misread quite a few others quite badly. Regardless, that second part shows I've not made myself understood.
That comes off as incredibly condescending given your previous post.

Or, like, confront his faults, overcome them, and grow as a creator and a person.

That's generally harder but, like, is commonly held as superior in the long run.

"Life is short, and art long, opportunity fleeting, experimentation perilous, and judgement difficult."
Seems pretty clear you're condemning the guy for choosing not to be woke as a fault. As far as I can tell, Zoat's completely aware of this identity crisis that first world countries seem to be so obsessed with and just doesn't humor them. There's nothing wrong with that, free speech and free thought and all that rot.

Yes, you clarified regarding Zoat's self imposed collision course with authority and I sort of agree with you there; there wasn't much of a need to railroad the thread into controversy with the post in question. But choosing not to be woke or PC or LGBT or whatever label we've come up with now is a choice that has nothing to do with growth either as a person or a creator. That's you being unimpressed that he's not as 'open-minded' as you are and trying to ride your high horse over his opinions.
 

Queshire

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I can't say that I find the idea of an argument on the nature of free speech to be that interesting at this time.

Edit: Not interested in what Lurker's saying either.
 
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This thing used to be on SpaceBattles. Then he got banned because of an *incredibly mild* star wars spoiler and they banned him for 24 hours, killing his streak. He moved here to preserve it, and has stated the only way he'll go back to SB is if they apologize.
for reference, incredibly mild was mentioning"they show the millennium falcon in the movie" >.>

given that She was in a buncha the posters/some trailers i saw BEFORE release...

weeeell...


No, that was the giant Hymir.

Also, Jormungandr battling Thor does happen during Ragnarok. However, it is not what kicks it off
nono, i mean i have perfict recall from when i was a kid- my mother gave me a illustrated book on Norse Mythology, and one of the tales was on Thor going on a "Holiday" fishing with loki, and almost causing the Ragnarok early out of small-minded stubbornness- wait.
*Internets this for the first time in 15 years*

*intermission*

*TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES! STAND BY!*

*swearing*
i..swear to god i remember the trip being with LOKI, i- bloody hell, ive been recounting this story wrong for the better part of a decade ARRRGH
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That comes off as incredibly condescending given your previous post.



Seems pretty clear you're condemning the guy for choosing not to be woke as a fault. As far as I can tell, Zoat's completely aware of this identity crisis that first world countries seem to be so obsessed with and just doesn't humor them. There's nothing wrong with that, free speech and free thought and all that rot.

Yes, you clarified regarding Zoat's self imposed collision course with authority and I sort of agree with you there; there wasn't much of a need to railroad the thread into controversy with the post in question. But choosing not to be woke or PC or LGBT or whatever label we've come up with now is a choice that has nothing to do with growth either as a person or a creator. That's you being unimpressed that he's not as 'open-minded' as you are and trying to ride your high horse over his opinions.
Not all opinions are equal. "Free speech" is the right to say what you want, but:
  1. We don't have that here.
  2. Even if we did, free speech doesn't protect you from others calling you out on your bullshit. That's the whole reason why it works at all. It's not "anti-free-speech" to condemn someone for holding a bad opinion, it's an INTEGRAL PART of free speech.
Zoat's opinions are wrong and disgusting. I will continue to read the story, given that if I gave up consuming any artistic work made by a shitty person I'd have to stop liking Dune, Ender's Game and a wide variety of other great works of fiction, but that doesn't change the fact that Zoat's opinions on the subject are disgusting and evil, as are those of anyone who agrees with him on those subjects.
 
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Not all opinions are equal. "Free speech" is the right to say what you want, but:
  1. We don't have that here.
  2. Even if we did, free speech doesn't protect you from others calling you out on your bullshit. That's who whole reason why it works at all.
Zoat's opinions are wrong and disgusting. I will continue to read the story, given that if I gave up consuming any artistic work made by a shitty person I'd have to stop liking Dune, Ender's Game and a wide variety of other great works of fiction, but that doesn't change the fact that Zoat's opinions on the subject are disgusting and evil, as are those of anyone who agrees with him on those subjects.
The irony of stating that not all opinions are equal then going on to call someone else's opinions evil and wrong.

But, whatever man, no way for me to stand my ground in this debate without derailing the thread, getting it locked and us both banned.

EDIT: Cheers for the heads up Gforce1000.
 
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The irony of stating that not all opinions are equal then going on to call someone else's opinions evil and wrong.
You're one of those people who has no idea what irony is, aren't you? I mean, most people at least get something kinda close, but this isn't even remotely similar to irony. For some opinions (Zoat's on transgender people) to be evil and wrong, by definition all opinions would have to not be equal, unless literally everyone's opinion were equally wrong, which is a perspective dumb enough that I'm not going to bother to argue against it unless someone actually argues in its favor. It's not "ironic" for one statement to be followed by one that logically requires the first to be true in order for it to be true itself.

But, whatever man, no way for me to stand my ground in this debate without derailing the thread, getting it locked and us both banned.
Most likely only you would be banned, because trans women are women, and the mods agree with me on that fact. But I would probably get in trouble, it's true, since the rule against hate unfortunately doesn't cancel out the rule against incivility when the incivility is targeted at someone being hateful. With the rules as they are, I suppose there's no point in continuing this conversation.
 

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Violation of Rule 2: "Don't be hateful"
New thread up. Wouldn't want anyone to think that I wasn't living up to my title, would I?

I lost the appeal because, well, it's right there in the rules that calling someone by anything other than their preferred pronoun is against the rules. While I am surprised that such a rule exists, the only person I have to blame for not knowing about it is me. I think that rule is ridiculous, but I don't make the rules here.

Fortunately for me, Questionable Question has no such rule. And since I have no inclination to involve real world political figures for any purpose other than a name check, their particular brand of crazy rule shouldn't have much impact on the story.

I have also been informed that referring to 'trans people' as transsexuals is no longer appropriate, though I can't help but think that the new term is misleading. If they were really 'trans people', then I would have thought they'd be more supportive of the genuinely held identification of some people with attack helicopters.
 
It kind of amuses me that it wasn't the human trafficking, the unethical political manipulations, the demon summoning or even the genocide that has drawn the most criticism of Paul and Zoat, but rather the gender argument that ended up being the red line. It really is the little, personal things, isn't it.
 
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